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rippeli kirjoitti:Juttelin kaverin kanssa jehovantodistajuudesta, ja siitä miten aikuisena kääntyneitä kohdellaan.
Itselläni on aina ollut se ajatus, että aikuisena kääntyneet olivat jotenkin tyhmiä, yksinkertaisia, taikka muuten pimahtaneita.
Parisuhde markkinoilla aikuisena kääntyneet olivat niitä viimeisiä vaihtoehtoja.
Aikuisena kääntyneet ovat varmasti keskivertoa ajattelevampia ihmisiä, taikka sitten ihan täysiä luusereita.

Onko muilla samoja ajatuksia?

Pyydän jo valmiiksi anteeksi sitä jos loukkaan joitakuita. Tämäkin asia pitää käsitellä.

Vieraas kirjoitti: Jossain vaiheessa 90-lukua ei suomalaisessa yhteiskunnassa uskallettu tehdä mitään eroa naisten ja miesten välillä, äärifeministien työn tuloksena. 2010-luvulla uskalletaan jo sanoa, että naiset ja miehet poikkeavat toisistaan.

Vieraas kirjoitti: "Pimahtanut" on aika ääri-ilmaus, mutta joku psyyken liikahdus lahkoon oma-aloitteisesti liittyneillä on tapahtunut.

nabander kirjoitti:

VErna kirjoitti: Silloin kun (onnistuneen) elämän tarkoitus oli; saarnaa/löydä mies/saarnaa/odota loppua.

Missä tuon saarnamisen välissä ehtisi miehen löytää? Sehän veisi huomion siltä itseltään, saarnaamiselta.

Nabander

väkisinkastettu kirjoitti:Aikamoista "pakottamista"........

väkisinkastettu kirjoitti:Luterilaisuuteen kastetaan alle 3kk ikäisenä vauvana.
kouiluissa pakolliset uskontotunnit.
Kirkosta voi erota vasta 18-vuotiaana.
Aikamoista "pakottamista"........

raamatunmalliin? kirjoitti:olisipa mukava nähdä tuo vanha artikkeli?

Questions from Readers
• In the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?—P. C., Ontario, Canada.

We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. “Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee.”—Deut. 13:6-11, AS.

Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God’s law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof.

God’s law does not allow a marriage partner to dismiss his mate because his mate becomes disfellowshiped or apostatizes. Neither will the law of the land in most cases allow a divorce to be granted on such grounds. The faithful believer and the apostate or disfellowshiped mate must legally continue to live together and render proper marriage dues one to the other. A father may not legally dismiss his minor child from his household because of apostasy or disfellowshiping, and a minor child or children may not abandon their father or their mother just because he becomes unfaithful to God and his theocratic organization. The parent must by laws of God and of man fulfill his parental obligations to the child or children as long as they are dependent minors, and the child or children must render filial submission to the parent as long as legally underage or as long as being without parental consent to depart from the home. Of course, if the children are of age, then there can be a departing and breaking of family ties in a physical way, because the spiritual ties have already snapped.

If children are of age and continue to associate with a disfellowshiped parent because of receiving material support from him or her, then they must consider how far their spiritual interests are being endangered by continuing under this unequal arrangement, and whether they can arrange to support themselves, living apart from the fallen-away parent. Their continuing to receive material support should not make them compromise so as to ignore the disfellowshiped state of the parent. If, because of acting according to the disfellowship order of the company of God’s people, they become threatened with a withdrawal of the parental support, then they must be willing to take such consequences.

Satan’s influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God’s organization. To do this would be disastrous, and so the faithful family member must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order. How would or could this be done while living under the same roof or in personal, physical contact daily with the disfellowshiped? In this way: By refusing to have religious relationship with the disfellowshiped.

The marriage partner would render the marriage dues according to the law of the land and in due payment for all material benefits bestowed and accepted. But to have religious communion with the disfellowshiped person—no, there would be none of that! The faithful marriage partner would not discuss religion with the apostate or disfellowshiped and would not accompany that one to his (or her) place of religious association and participate in the meetings with that one. As Jesus said: “If he does not listen even to the congregation [which was obliged to disfellowship him], let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector [to Jehovah’s sanctified nation].” (Matt. 18:17, NW) Hurt to such one would not be authorized, but there would be no spiritual or religious fellowshiping.

The same rule would apply to those who are in the relation of parent and child or of child and parent. What natural obligation falls upon them according to man’s law and God’s law the faithful parent or the faithful child will comply with. But as for rendering more than that and having religious fellowship with such one in violation of the congregation’s disfellowship order—no, none of that for the faithful one! If the faithful suffers in some material or other way for the faithful adherence to theocratic law, then he must accept this as suffering for righteousness’ sake.

The purpose of observing the disfellowship order is to make the disfellowshiped one realize the error of his way and to shame him, if possible, so that he may be recovered, and also to safeguard your own salvation to life in the new world in vindication of God. (2 Thess. 3:14, 15; Titus 2:8) Because of being in close, indissoluble natural family ties and being of the same household under the one roof you may have to eat material food and live physically with that one at home, in which case 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 and 2 John 10 could not apply; but do not defeat the purpose of the congregation’s disfellowship order by eating spiritual or religious food with such one or receiving such one favorably in a religious way and bidding him farewell with a wish for his prosperity in his apostate course. (w52 Nov. 15 p. 703)

Vieraas kirjoitti: Jehovan todistajiksi kasvatetut taas on useimmiten isästään ja/tai äidistään (sekä sisaruksistaan) erottamisen uhalla pakotettu pysymään mukana, joka on raukkamaisin liike mitä ihmislapselle voi tehdä.

Harmus kirjoitti: Nuoret rivi-jt:t ottavata elämästä kaiken irti ja samalla kaiken irti myös uskontonsa piiristä. He voivat olla vaikka seurakunnan vanhimpia ja samalla rakentaa uraa, taloa, perhettä, hienoja harrastauksia, ilman mitään sen suurempia omatunnonvaivoja tai moralisointeja itseltään tai muilta.