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Jumalan järjestö – miten Jeesus kutsui sitä?

Lähetetty: 13.12.2022 01:35
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~~~~ Jumalan järjestö – miten Jeesus kutsui sitä? ~~~~~~

(Olen pahoillani, etten pysty kääntämään tätä artikkelia suomeksi, käännä se, joku teistä, joka tietää kuinka tehdä tämä.)

I have read the Bible .
I have never found the word “organization”, nor the fact that God would ever had or has an "organization" on earth .
The humans want to understand through the word “organization” God’s theocratic arrangement.
BUT what really would fit with this word (organization), it is found only in Heavens !
God’s Organization (theocratic arrangement) is in Heaven and it is Heavenly.
And when Jesus Christ came on earth , he did not call it “God’s organization” but God’s KINGDOM !
WHAT is God's Organization (Kingdom) ?
According to Jesus words in Matthew 6 :10
"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth."
...we understand that His Organization (Kingdom) means the "state" or the "arrangement" where His will is done [not only at the declarative level]....
... and where God's authority is manifested >>> that implies that in God's Kingdom the willful sinner (or God's opponent) is immediately punished to death! - Psalms 101: 8.
And furthermore, Jesus has taught us that Father’s will is that this [Heavenly] Kingdom to come on earth.
And he taught us to pray for that.
And because Father commanded to Jesus followers to “obey the Son” (Matt.17:5), we are praying until today “Let Your Kingdom come…”
That is the most powerful proof that “God’s Organization” is not on earth today, because we all admit that His Kingdom is not here yet ( we are still praying for it to come) !
Well, but then , what does God has on earth ?
He says He has a people ! ... Acts 15:14 / Titus 2:14
But has He always had “a people” on earth ?
NO ! because the history of His chosen people begun with God’s “pulling his people out of Egypt”.
So, before of that event God had individuals and "family" .
When the Israelites entered in Egypt they were a “family” (of seventy souls). And there they become a "people". Genesis 46:6,27.
And what God always had on earth are “human souls” because He is the OWNER of them ... Ezekiel 18:4
“Behold, all souls are Mine;
the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine
The soul who sins will die."
What is God doing “always” is as it follows :
"The LORD looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God."
Psalm 14:2.
So, we can say that “always” God has been having on earth individuals who “seek after Him”, to know (understand) Him – but not "organization"!
Now , Jesus has formed the “Christian community” within which God’s Kingdom has to come .
And how does He did it ?
To the "two greatest commandments" (to love God…and the neighbor) Jesus has added another one through which He fixed the "center" of the "Christian community".
As a planet is formed by firstly fixing its “center/point of gravity” so did Jesus:
He gave “a new commandment” to His followers:
34.“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
John 13:35.
Through these words Jesus has fixed the “center of gravity” for the Christian community !
There was never need for a human "organization" to keep His faithful ones united !
That commandment works (like a gravitational force) in those who really have faith in Jesus and it produces unity (not uniformity).
Within this (worldwide) "community" (or ekklesia) the Heavenly Kingdom of God will “come on earth” in short time / at God’s established time.
Regarding the much used phrase:“God doesn’t deal with individuals, only with his organization” there is an inspired scripture proving how God deals with men:
Job 34:29
"When He keeps quiet, who then can condemn?
And when He hides His face, who then can behold Him,
>>> That is, in regard to both nation and man. "
So, Jehovah deals with “both nation and man”/ individuals and group of individuals/people/nation (his people)...
... while He may be "at peace" with a certain His servant , at the same time He may be "angered" over His nation , as a "whole"
... while He may be "at peace" with His "people" , He may manifest His anger over a certain "individual" who proves to be "law transgressor"

Re: Jumalan järjestö – miten Jeesus kutsui sitä?

Lähetetty: 16.12.2022 23:02
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~~~~~~~ The "teaching of Christ" ~~~~~~~
Jehovah / YHWH is a God of order.
He decided a certain place for that teaching called in Bible "the teaching of Christ". ... 0245552054

Re: Jumalan järjestö – miten Jeesus kutsui sitä?

Lähetetty: 16.12.2022 23:06
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~~~~ Above everything guard your heart ! - Why? ~~~~
Proverbs 4: 23
Above everything else guard your heart,
because from it flow the springs of life.
Mark 7 :
18. And He said to them, “Are you also as lacking in understanding?
Don’t you realize that nothing going into a man from the outside can defile him?
19. For it doesn’t go into his heart but into the stomach and is eliminated.” (As a result, He made all foods clean.)
20. Then He said, “What comes out of a person—that defiles him.
21. For from within, out of people’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immoralities, thefts, murders,
22. adulteries, greed, evil actions, deceit, promiscuity, stinginess, blasphemy, pride, and foolishness.
23. All these evil things come from within and defile a person.”
1 Thessalonians 4 :
2. For you know what commands we gave you through the Lord Jesus.
3. For this is God’s will, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality,
4. so that each of you knows how to control his own body in sanctification and honor,
5. not with lustful desires, like the Gentiles who don’t know God.
6. This means one must not transgress against and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger of all these offenses, as we also previously told and warned you.
7. For God has not called us to impurity but to sanctification.
8. Therefore, the person who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who also gives you His Holy Spirit.
Hebrews 10 :
26. For if we sin deliberately
>>> after receiving the knowledge of the truth,
>>> there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27. but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.
Hebrews 3: 12
Watch out, brothers, so that there won’t be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart that departs from the living God.
James 1: 21
Therefore, ridding yourselves of all moral filth and evil,
>>> humbly receive the implanted word, which is able to save you.
Questions for study:
1) Why should a man guard his heart ?
2) From what kind of heart do the evil things listed by Jesus come out?
3) What is God's will for us?
4) What does "holy" (holiness) mean in accordance with God's word?
5) Is there still a "sacrifice for sins" if we sin willingly after receiving the knowledge of the truth?
6) How can we obtain salvation?
Please study God's Prophetic Word which foretells what is to happen within His people during the "latter days" :
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Re: Jumalan järjestö – miten Jeesus kutsui sitä?

Lähetetty: 16.12.2022 23:11
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"He brings princes to nothing,
and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness.
Isaiah 40:23
Here is what we read in the Bible book of Daniel about a great action by Jehovah:
"He changes times and circumstances; he overthrows and makes kings; ..." (Daniel 2:21).
How does JEHOVAH change 'times and circumstances'?
First of all, it is necessary to know that He acts in accordance with the decisions He has made beforehand, seeing clearly what is to come (Isaiah 46:10a).
In connection with this, it is then necessary to understand that in connection with these decisions, JEHOVAH clarifies things at the time appointed by Him, that is, before it happens, He reveals to His messengers, through His Holy Spirit, the 'mystery' of those things.
Of course, this is necessary because prophetic things are 'hard to understand' and the human mind can only understand and comprehend them through the divine revelation given by JEHOVAH by His Spirit.
"He reveals what is deep and hidden; ..." Daniel 2:22a.
Hidden things were also those related to the true biblical identity of the "man of lawlessness."
Although some 'parties' of 'witnesses' talk about that intruder, they cannot prove at all that JEHOVAH had revealed to them the true identity of that intruder.
But there is enough evidence that in the pages of the brochure "The Reaper" the biblical true identity of that intruder was proved biblically, from the first issue of this brochure.
Of course, this was not accomplished by human power, but by the revelation made by JEHOVAH by His Holy Spirit.
Now it is understood what 'princes' and 'judges' are really about.
Thus, it is now understood that the 'princes of Zoan' in Isaiah 19:11 are those princes we read about in Isaiah 10:8, about whom the Assyrian (the "man of iniquity" - the 'head' of the religious organization of witnesses) says:
"Are not my princes all of them kings?"
It is now understood, then, that these 'princes' are those to whom the 'Assyrian' (the king of the north in Daniel's prophecy) has given authority over many - Daniel 11:39.
The same is true of those who have called themselves leaders of various groups of witnesses, who unjustifiably have the false claim that they represent the "remnant."
Likewise, as far as 'judges' are concerned, let us understand that the authority given to them obliges them to work according to the justice of Jehovah.
But they don't work like that !!
That's why they will all be reduced to 'nothing' !!
- The Reaper.

Re: Jumalan järjestö – miten Jeesus kutsui sitä?

Lähetetty: 28.12.2022 01:36
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1) Are you saying that Jehovah's witnesses are The exclusive people of Jehovah as were the Israelites in Moses day?
the answer:
-- Not only the Jws.
The gathering that started with Russel marks the beginning of God's people -- in the "latter days".
The time has approached for God, to bring His Kingdom on earth , and that Kingdom has to start here within a people (of saints), so Jehovah God proceeded to gather His people.
For a certain man , or group of men , to be considered "alive" from God's point of view , they need to "eat" from "Heavenly bread" - John 6:32,33,35.
So , God gave it to them: Psalm 78:24 / 105:40b (prophetically shown here).
What is the Heavenly Bread ? -- It is Jesus' sacrifice together with the correct understanding of how it works (a teaching)!
It implies a correct understanding and knowledge about what is (both) the weakness and willfully sin !
As Jesus teaches, after one's baptism/consecration , that "ransom" cover only weaknesses , while the christian person is commended to "clean" his hearth : see Mark 7:18-23.
All these things listed by Jesus here are willfully sins , and are not forgiven after receiving "the truth"... see Hebrew 10:26!
Jehovah God through His Spirit helped br. Russel to understand this teaching - in 1872 - and so, this is the very year of starting "God's people history" -- a year found not by some kind of chronology , but as a result of the work/action of God !
God used Russel as "a prophet" ... see Hosea 12:13 !
Starting with that time many persons came to a good relation with Jehovah God to do His will, based on a good foundation.
So, from that time, all men that lived according to God's revealed requirement to keep "holy" (1Tess. 4:2,3,6,7,8,.) whether they call themselves Bible Students , Jehovah's Witnesses (included various eastern groups of Jws). or the disfellowshipped ones(still Christians), are God's people !
Now, God was expecting from His people to be "faithful".... Isaiah 63:8-10 !
But they were NOT! ... it happens like this : read Deuteronomy 32:15/ Hosea 11:1,2...5,7,
Therefore Jehovah God decided to punish them - it is a manifestation of His RIGHTEOUSNESS! - see: Isaiah 66:18 / Jeremiah 5:29 /Deut. 32:19-21...


2) Are you saying that Russell and Rutherford were true sons of the Kingdom ?
the answer :
-- Russel and Rutherford had a heart that loved God, and they never taught others to sin wilfully , in spite of having many weaknesses , specially Rutherford .
Jehovah God speaks right: Isaiah 43:27,28 !
The main sin that God charges the two is : Jeremiah 2:12,13. Yes , they did not wait for Jehovah in giving the "food", but they mixed the teaching received by Holy Spirit with their own conclusions...
So , a lot of teachings such as "the chronology" (the way to find these years like 1914, 1925, 1975 etc.), piramydology , natural Israel as God's people , God's earthly organization , etc,etc,... are NOT biblically and NOT from God !
But because Jehovah God uses them to give food and warnings to His people, and they have not broken the covenant, He shows us they are forgiven through Christ sacrifice./YHWH considered they had a good/clean heart before Him .


3) Are you saying that 2 Thess 2 was then fulfilled when a group took control of the bible students and stood in the holy place?
the answer:
-- While Christ was sowing wheat , when "everybody was sleeping" the enemy sowed the weeds!
Starting exactly with Russel , the shepherds of Israel were sleeping regarding to ... what is written in Hebrews 12:16,17.
So, persons like Esau were "born" into christian congregation.
They got numerous and became the "opposite side" of truth --the weeds. Because even the wheat sinned against God , He decided "a day" or a period of time to punish His people (the holy ones)
That punishment meant to be : the holy ones had to lose the leadership over God's house and "the Esau house" gained it !
the "7 persons-heads" that took control after Rutherford's death belonged to Edom.. they taught (indirectly) that Christ ransom covers the wilfully sin , that means they took away the continual offering ...see Dan 8:11.
The "holy place: does not mean "the society WT", but refers to the spiritual Temple and the (kind of) worship there.
So , the weeds were already entered or "sown" in the Temple , but when they took control of Society , and so , over God's people , they in fact elevated themselves to the position of "god" according to 2 Tess. 2:4 !


4) Are you saying that they tampered with the word of God by creating the NWT to mislead the sheep?
the answer :
-- Yes they "adapted" the bible to their purposes !


5) Are you saying that this group is in fact the "seven headed wild beast" ?
the answer :
-- Yes ,they were 7 "anointed" which proved that have lost their anointment (or have broken the covenant) because of their works , and they became "the 7 heads"....of the beast, but the entire beast include all human - organizational structure that was imposed over God's people all over the earth .
In fact , only people who obeyed and subjected themselves under the leadership of those 7 heads were allowed to be in "positions" in this organization !
they all together are "the body" of the beast.


6) Are you saying that all those within the WTO have received the mark of the beast by being baptised into the WTO?
the answer :
-- Not by baptism... but by receiving, believing and living according to the erroneous teachings proliferated by this "man of lawlessness" they have received the "mark of the beast"
the worst thing (worse than changing the baptismal vow) the beast did, is removing the Christ sacrifice's meaning, ( "and the continual burnt offering was taken away from him" Dan 8:11 ) , saying and teaching that the wilfully sin is covered by His sacrifice !
All persons believing that , loving that teaching , while they love to play with wilfully sin (and to practice it ) , are those with beast's mark..consciently .


7) Are you saying that the two annointed witnesess were russell and rutherford and their preaching truth works were stopped by the beast ?
the answer :
-- I don't ! The two witness are two class/groups that compound the body of Christ: the "prophet" and the "priest". both being "wheat".
Geremiah 23:11.


8 ) Are you saying that the two witnesses (the holy ones) will be soon given the kingdom when they are re-established and the beast is killed ?
the answer :
-- Yes ! the holy ones HAVE (need) first to be cleansed !
and then the kingdom will be done to them! Dan 7:21,22,25,26,27.
they have to be gathered ! Isaiah 11:11 / Ezekiel 36:24,25,...32!


9) Are you saying that the only people who have any connection with this work are within the WTO ?
the answer :
-- Not only!
But the most of them (the gross number) are there ... at the daughter of Babylon Zech.2:7.
Also there are (some of)Bible Students and others , but it is surely about those who have "eaten" from Heavenly Bread ! (they are those who rightly appreciate what means "be saints because I am saint" as God says.


10) Do you believe that the wild beast only dominates Gods household rather than the whole of the human race?
the answer :
-- Yes ! They dominate God's house , while deceiving the whole earth saying that they are God's people or chosen ones and Jehovah's unique channel on earth !
They "interposed" themselves between God, His kingdom , and the rest of all humankind , and that happened in a time permitted by God ...
this way they dominated all persons on earth who wanted to approach God and his Kingdom ...
of course , those of humankind who were not interested in serving God , are not part of this picture..

Dear , here is a "body" or a "building" of teaching ! There is a full bible and events to prove it ! Here I used only a few arguments ...
See: Jesus did not tell historical tales to his contemporanes about Egypt , Babilon , or Rome etc,etc, as beying part of the seven world's Powers ... and much history...
but He told them words that implied directly their hearts and their way to worship God , implying their responsibility before God !
Each prophetical part He quoted, He applied it to them, revealing their state of heart before the Father and himself

Today God's people like to tale about political beasts...because that not discover what's inside their heart !
But today is a time to seek God's righteousness, by returning to Christ's teaching, to obey it ! Matthew 17:5.
God's people until now were composed of two "nations": the holy ones or "wheat" , and the "weeds" or wicked ones ... Jeremiah 5:26 / Deut. 32:21.
Jesus said (Matt 24:34) "that nation will not pass till... "
He referred not to "generation" , but to the bad "nation" , the weeds . The wheat will not be able to escape from them (the weeds) until Jehovah will come through His Messenger , (at the second coming) , while all signs will happen! Matthew 24:32.33.
He comes to do the judgement at The Temple and all his people , to refine Jacob's sons , to deliver them from under all Babylonysh slavery and then to give to them the Kingdom !
The wicked nation is that: see Matt 16:4,
the sign of Jonah is , they ( "the evil and adulterous generation") will see when God's spirit comes over the two dead witnesses and they stay up again ! Rev 11:11.
While the wicked nation will be ready for destruction (even named themselves as Jehovah's witness), for the righteous nation today Jehovah is preparing something good ! see Isaiah 26:2 .
" Open the gates, that the [uncompromisingly] righteous nation which keeps her faith and her troth [with God] may enter in." ...
(where ? see Rev 22: 14,15 )

Hope this help a little,