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Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja SonOfJesus » 02.11.2017 15:51

Voidaan sanoa, että raamattu ennusti pedofiilitkin seurakuntien ongelmaksi: "Minun jälkeeni tulee julmia susia, jotka eivät laumaa säästä."

Kaikki uskonnot ovat valtarakennelmia, joiden huipulle päässeet eivät halua horjuttaa omaa asemaansa. Vrt Peterin periaate.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Tony » 02.11.2017 06:32

Tekstiversio artikkelista.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses religion is coming under mounting criticism for its handling of child sexual abuse allegations in Ireland.

By Barry J Whyte
In the summer of 2016, elders in an Irish Jehovah’s Witnesses Congregation we’re informed of a case of alleged child sexual abuse within their flock. According to the religion’s own internal rule in force at the time, when elders encounter a case of child sexual abuse they are required to contact the legal department of the London based Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain, also known simply as the Watch Tower.

Those guidelines, however, made no reference to notifying the police or the state authorities, and the elders were advised by the Watch Tower to conduct their own internal investigation into the matter.
This led to a disagreement among the elders about whether to contact the Gardai, especially when the abuser - who cannot be named because he is the subject of an ongoing investigation admitted his guilt.
Eventually, one of the elders decided to take the matter to the Gardai and made a statement.

Soon after, the Watch Tower’s legal department issued detailed instructions on how the matter should be handled by the congregation.

In a letter seen by The Sunday Business Post from August 2016, the legal department wrote that because the individual had “recently confessed to very serious wrongdoing” it was “necessary for certain restrictions to be applied and certain steps taken, in the interests of child safeguarding”.
Those restrictions included limiting his privileges, “even seemingly minor ones, such as would normally be assigned to those considered exemplary”, and ensuring that he was kept apart from children in the congregation.

The Watch Tower also advised the elders how they ought to handle the fact that the matter was the subject of a Garda investigation.

“As the secular authorities are investigating this matter, if approached, please arrange for two elders to telephone the Legal Department at the Branch for legal advice before discussing the matter with the authorities,” the letter said.

They also decided to discipline those elders who had been involved in notifying the Gardai, according to people familiar with the matter.

Further correspondence obtained by the Sunday Business Post shows that the Watch Tower sent a number of senior clergy to Ireland to deal with “an unusual situation for four elders to have their qualifications considered at one time “.

Soon after that letter, two of the congregation’s elders were stripped of their positions - akin to being defrocked as a priest, according to source. According to people who are familiar with the case, who didn’t want to be named for fear of the repercussions, the elders were deleted - in the religion’s own terminology - for “lacking soundness of mind” and “being disloyal”.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses religion is known worldwide for its fervency and piety - its members actively desire the end of the world, eschew smoking and voting, and refuse blood transfusions based on a literal reading of the Bible - as well as for its evangelical, door-to-door proselytizing.

The religion is highly insular and self-contained, and it tends to stay apart from the secular world.
All this has led to a growing disquiet, both inside the religion and outside it, over the manner in which it handles child sexual abuse allegations.

The aforementioned case is not a wholly isolated incident. The Sunday Business Post has also spoken to one woman - who did not wished to be named - who, in a separate case, notified the Gardai that one of her children had been allegedly abused by a member of the congregation. She discovered, during subsequent internal investigation, that the child had already alerted elders within the group to the abuse, though she was not told of this at the time and only learned of it later.

She said she had been informed that the authorities did not proceed with a prosecution because CCTV recordings in the area where the alleged abuse took place were unavailable, while a statement which had been made by one of her family members was subsequently withdrawn.

While it’s not possible to say whether a prosecution would have followed, what is clear is that in the aftermath of the investigation, the woman was shunned by the other members of her congregation, including close family members.

The woman told The Sunday Business Post: “The Organisation did not care for what happened to my child: their only concern was not bringing ‘reproach upon Jehovah’s Organisation’. As soon as they could tell I was not keeping quiet, they made sure no one from the congregation had any contact with me from then on.”

The Sunday Business Post is also aware of instances of elders in other Irish congregations being instructed to destroy records relating to allegations of child sexual abuse. These instructions were conveyed by email and telephone in recent months.

It’s not clear what motivated the instructions. Some individuals with whom The Sunday Business Post has spoken expressed reservations about the destruction, but felt compelled to carry out the orders. One elder has since taken legal advice on having destroyed the records.

According to one individual familiar with the organisation’s handling of child abuse: “It’s very simple. If the organisation turned around and reported it, we wouldn’t be where we are today. [It should be a case that] someone comes along and says: ‘I did this,’ and you’d report it. And you [the media] would have nothing to write about because there’d be no news. They’ve caused this article to be written because they didn’t handle it right in the first place.”

The Jehovah’s Witnesses have long held themselves at arm’s length from secular society, even on legal matters.

That can be best illustrated by a document circulated in November 2014, which the Sunday Business Post has seen.

While the document relates to matters of legal confidentiality, not specifically child sexual abuse, it shows London Headquarters advising its elders in Ireland and Britain that “even when secular authorities request confidential information, you are not obligated to answer questions before consulting the Legal Department. Oftentimes, secular authorities request confidential information to which they are not legally entitled. Thus, you could subject yourself and the organisation to civil liability if you reveal such confidential information “.

When it comes to matters related to child sexual abuse allegations, the Witnesses take a similar approach, guiding their members and elders to check with the Watch Tower’s legal department first for legal advice.
That advice relates mostly to handling their own internal investigations, documents seen by this newspaper show.

The guidelines instruct elders to set up a scriptural investigation to establish wrongdoing by any accused individual. Once that wrongdoing has been established, the accused individual will - depending on the level of repentance they show - either be disfellowshipped or reproved, meaning they will either get restricted privileges or be shunned entirely.

But even disfellowshipped Witnesses can, eventually, apply for reinstatement, the guidelines show.
Meanwhile, the elders are advised that the guidelines don’t apply in the case of a “minor who is a willing participant and who is approaching adulthood and who is involved in sexual activity with an adult who is a few years older than a minor”, even though, under Irish law, a child is “a person under the age of 18 years other than a person who is or has been married”.

Since September of this year, they have amended their guidelines to state that “the victim, her parents, or anyone else who reports such an allegation to the elders should be clearly informed that they have the right to report the matter to the secular authorities. Elders do not criticize anyone who chooses to make such a report”.

Meanwhile, the state’s rules on child abuse have also been changing. Last month, Minister for Children Katherine Zappone announced that mandatory reporting for suspected cases of child abuse would finally be made law. From December 11, the new law will impose statutory obligations on certain professionals to report child protection concerns to Tulsa.

Nevertheless, it remains unclear whether this covers the Jehovah’s Witnesses specifically.
When contacted by The Sunday Business Post, a spokesman for the department said that ‘mandated persons’ included a “member of the clergy [howsoever described] or pastoral care worker [howsoever described] of a church or other religious community “.

The spokesman pointed out that, under the Criminal Justice Act, it is a criminal offence to withhold information about a serious offence against a person under 18 years of age, while all persons, whether mandated reporters or not, should report reasonable concerns in relation to child welfare and protection to Tulsa.

Nevertheless, the department also pointed out that “it is a matter for any organisation, or individual, to assess whether, and extent to which, the provisions of the Children First Act 2015 apply to them and to seek legal advice if deemed neves. It is not the role of the Department of Children and Youth Affairs to interpret legislation for any particular person or category of persons”.

Last April, the Centre for Investigative Reporting (CIR) held a conference in London on the growing problem of child sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

The CIR is a highly respected California-based nonprofit investigative journalism organisation, and it invited to London such high-profile figures as US lawyer Irwin Zalkin, who has taken multiple cases against the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ corporate headquarters in New York, and Mike Rezendes, the Boston Globe reporter who was part of the Spotlight team that uncovered the Catholic Church’s decades of child sexual abuse in the US.

Also present was Professor Geoffrey Shannon, Ireland’s Special Rapporteur on Child Protection, who gave a talk on the parallels between the Jehovah’s Witnesses handling of child sexual abuse allegations and that of the Catholic Church.

Shannon told the Sunday Business Post that, during his talk, he explained to the audience how in both the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Catholic Church, “the maintenance of secrecy, the avoidance of scandal, the protection of the good name of the church and the assets of the church all took precedence over protecting vulnerable children”.

“There is a growing concern internationally that within the hierarchy of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, in some cases, there is a premium placed on the institution to the detriment of the welfare of children,” he told this newspaper last week.

Shannon also pointed out that the problems being experienced in Ireland are part of an increasing scrutiny on the religion worldwide, especially for the manner in which the organisation handles child sexual abuse allegations.

Last July, for example, the Charity Commission of England and Wales strongly criticized the Watch Tower for its handling of child sexual abuse, specifically in relation to a case related to a former member of the church named Jonathan Rose, who was subsequently convicted on several charges of abuse, but whose victims were forced to confront him to make their allegations as part of a three-hour meeting during the organisation’s internal investigation.

The Commission reported that “the inquiry found that the trustees of the charity did not engage openly and candidly with the Commission as the charity regulator. The trustees did not report the allegations to the Commission as a serious incident”.

The criticisms are not limited to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain. In Australia, a 2016 Royal Commission found that children were not adequately protected from the risk of sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses. It criticized the organisation’s practice of not reporting child sexual abuse to police or authorities unless required to do so by Australian law.

In the US, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have been sued by several former Witnesses who were abused while they were part of the congregation, most recently in February of this year, when it settled a case out of court with a woman named Stephanie Fessler who had been abused by a fellow church member in Pennsylvania.

Shannon said he welcomed the change in Ireland’s laws and the introduction of mandatory reporting - but this, he said, was only the beginning.

He added that the Catholic Church could once again provide a model for handling the increasing number of cases coming to light in the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

“In essence, what happened is that the church institutions were allowed to be beyond the reach of the law,” he told this newspaper. “We need to focus on the extent to which the law and its modus operandi were inadequate or even counter-productive, allowing perpetrators of sexual abuse to go unpunished”.
“We allowed the Catholic Church to be beyond the reach of the law, and allowing any institution to be beyond the reach of state laws is dangerous,” he said.

“Nothing predicts like the past, and we know that those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

“The State is now saying that it’s no longer acceptable for organisation’s to fail to report child sexual abuse. I think this is a defining moment in Ireland as we learn from the lessons of the past.”

The Sunday Business Post has asked the Watch Tower several times about its handling of child protection in the organisation, especially in Ireland, over the course of this investigation.

Last July, it stated that “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse in all its forms and do not shield wrongdoers from the authorities or from the consequences of their actions. All allegations of abuse are thoroughly investigated and appropriate restrictions are imposed on any person who is guilty of child sexual abuse”.

In response to another question this newspaper put to it in August, the Watch Tower pointed out that it has provided multiple articles on how to handle child abuse in its journals The Watchtower and Awake, as well as in published guidelines on its website, It also stated that “congregation elders comply with child-abuse reporting laws. They provide abuse victims and their families with spiritual comfort from the Bible”.

It added that “the victim and his or her parents have the absolute right to report the matter to the governmental authorities”, and that “congregation elders do not shield abusers from the authorities or from the consequences of their actions”, while “anyone who commits the sin of child abuse faces expulsion from the congregation. If such a person is serving in a position of responsibility, he is removed”.

It concluded: “Any suggestion that Jehovah’s Witnesses cover up child abuse is absolutely false.”
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Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Weathertop » 01.11.2017 19:00

Johanneksen poika kirjoitti: Jos joku olisi vaikkapa 1970-luvulla sanonut, ettei kovin kauaa mene, kun Neuvostoliitto romahtaa ja jopa melkein rauhanomaisesti, niin harva olisi uskonut. Niin siinä vain kävi. Ei mikään ole mahdotonta.

Ja kuten olet usein sanonut, että ei mikään muutu, jos ei mitään yritetä, niin se pitää paikkansa. Monesti tarvitaan paljon erilaisia juttuja ja yrityksiä, että lopulta saavutetaan toivottu lopputulos.

Ei Vartiotorniseurakaan ole mikään "täysin suojeltu" järjestö, jolle ei voisi tapahtua romahdusta. Pidän todennäköisimpänä sitä, että se romahtaa ensin taloudellisesti, ehkäpä suuriin pedofiilijuttujen korvauksiin. Sitten alkaa järjestöstä joukkopako, kun tietoisuus seurakuntien sisällä lisääntyy. Ja lopulta lahjalaatikoihin rahaa kantavia käsiä on liian vähän. Konkurssi. - Pieni fanaattinen ydinjoukko voi jäädä jäljelle, mutta se ei enää siitä pysty nousemaan.
Kiitos rohkaisevista sanoista. Kaltaiseltasi paljon vaivaa nähneeltä aktivistilta kuultuina ne merkitsevät paljon.

Asiat voivat tosiaan muuttua hyvinkin nopeasti ja yllättäen, eivätkä aina huonompaan suuntaan. Yritetään pitää uskoa yllä, vaikka se ei olisikaan helppoa.

Maailma on tällä hetkellä aika julma, raaka ja välinpitämätön, mutta ihmisillä on sekä kyky empatiaan että kyky oppia virheistään. Toivotaan, että ihmisoikeudet opitaan vielä asettamaan tärkeysjärjestyksessä kaiken muun edelle ja ymmärtämään ensisijaisesti yksilön oikeuksiksi. Ne ovat sentään syntyneet yhteisestä ihmisenä olemisen kokemuksesta, eikä meillä ole näillä näkymin parempaa arvopohjaa millekään.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Johanneksen poika » 01.11.2017 18:17

Weathertop kirjoitti:Minä ainakin teen kaikkeni pitääkseni yllä sitä sitä toivoa, että Torni kaatuu vielä. Sen avulla nousen sängystä aamuisin.
Jos joku olisi vaikkapa 1970-luvulla sanonut, ettei kovin kauaa mene, kun Neuvostoliitto romahtaa ja jopa melkein rauhanomaisesti, niin harva olisi uskonut. Niin siinä vain kävi. Ei mikään ole mahdotonta.

Ja kuten olet usein sanonut, että ei mikään muutu, jos ei mitään yritetä, niin se pitää paikkansa. Monesti tarvitaan paljon erilaisia juttuja ja yrityksiä, että lopulta saavutetaan toivottu lopputulos.

Ei Vartiotorniseurakaan ole mikään "täysin suojeltu" järjestö, jolle ei voisi tapahtua romahdusta. Pidän todennäköisimpänä sitä, että se romahtaa ensin taloudellisesti, ehkäpä suuriin pedofiilijuttujen korvauksiin. Sitten alkaa järjestöstä joukkopako, kun tietoisuus seurakuntien sisällä lisääntyy. Ja lopulta lahjalaatikoihin rahaa kantavia käsiä on liian vähän. Konkurssi. - Pieni fanaattinen ydinjoukko voi jäädä jäljelle, mutta se ei enää siitä pysty nousemaan.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Weathertop » 01.11.2017 17:23

Jaakko Ahvenainen kirjoitti: No, ei, mutta joka tapauksessa kokemukseni osoittaa, että on montakin, jotka huutavat: "Me tuemme sinua!" Tosipaikan tullen voit sitten laskea, montako heitä on. Yleensä ei yhtään ja tässä piilee vahvuutesi tai heikkoutesi.
Yleensä ei ehkä yhtään, mutta aina välillä löytyy montakin. Eihän mikään tässä maailmassa muuten muuttuisi koskaan parempaan suuntaan, eivätkä esimerkiksi Jehovan todistajien hyväksikäyttökuvioiden uhrit olisi saaneet missään oikeutta.

Toivo on helppo menettää, mutta sen uhraamalla ei valitettavasti saa mitään vastineeksi.

EDIT: Minä ainakin teen kaikkeni pitääkseni yllä sitä sitä toivoa, että Torni kaatuu vielä. Sen avulla nousen sängystä aamuisin.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Jaakko Ahvenainen » 01.11.2017 17:03

Weathertop kirjoitti:Eihän tässä voi itsekään olla tuntematta turhautumisen aiheuttamaa kyynisyyttä, mutta yritän (usein kieltämättä huonolla menestyksellä) työntää sen syrjään, koska siitä ei ainakaan ole apua.
No, ei, mutta joka tapauksessa kokemukseni osoittaa, että on montakin, jotka huutavat: "Me tuemme sinua!" Tosipaikan tullen voit sitten laskea, montako heitä on. Yleensä ei yhtään ja tässä piilee vahvuutesi tai heikkoutesi.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Weathertop » 01.11.2017 16:47

Jaakko Ahvenainen kirjoitti:Voit vihastua kaikessa rauhassa. Sinun vihastumisesi ei hetkauta globaalia WTBS-ässää yhtään mihinkinkään.
Ei, mutta kun tarpeeksi moni ihminen vihastuu eikä pidä sitä omana tietonaan, voidaan nähdä tuloksia, kuten monessa maassa on jo nähty.

Eihän tässä voi itsekään olla tuntematta turhautumisen aiheuttamaa kyynisyyttä, mutta yritän (usein kieltämättä huonolla menestyksellä) työntää sen syrjään, koska siitä ei ainakaan ole apua.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Jaakko Ahvenainen » 01.11.2017 16:09

Voit vihastua kaikessa rauhassa. Sinun vihastumisesi ei hetkauta globaalia WTBS-ässää yhtään mihinkinkään.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja harzit » 31.10.2017 20:13

Tony kirjoitti:JWsurveyn tiimin keskustelu aiheesta.

Rankkaa matskua. Tulee mieleen Spotlight leffa katolisen kirkon pedofiili touhuista. Uskomatonta. Oikein vihastuttaa kun näistä ei varmasti tiedä juuri kukaan perus todistaja kun pitää vaan painaa laput silmillä kun kaikki kriittinen uutisointi on saatanan panetteluja. Ihan sama mitä lapsille tehdään, tärkeetä on vain järjestön nimi. Ihan sama kun mukana ollessa itsellä oli alkoholiongelmaa. Veli vanhin sano et ei siinä mitää jos kotona dokas mutta jos julkisesti näyttäytyi päihtyneenä se oli paha. Eli ei mul sitte mitää ongelmaa ollukkaa ku ulkopuoliset ei sitä tienny.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Tony » 31.10.2017 13:36

JWsurveyn tiimin keskustelu aiheesta.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Weathertop » 30.10.2017 12:19

Toimii taas. Vartiotorni-seuran tähänastiset kosto- ja vaientamistoimenpiteet huomioiden tässä on vaan tottunut olettamaan pahinta.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Tony » 30.10.2017 11:50

Kyllä mulla funkkaa.

Edit: Jaa eipä oikein funkkaakaan. Latasi kyllä etusivun mutta ei enempää.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Weathertop » 30.10.2017 11:47

JW Survey sitten alhaalla. Pelkkää paranoiaa, vai...?

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Weathertop » 29.10.2017 17:52

Nukahtanut kirjoitti:Joo, ehottomasti joku lehdistö-väkeä tunteva vois vinkkiä heittää menemään.
Monen julkaisun nettisivuilla on myös lomake, jolla kuka tahansa voi laittaa uutisvinkkejä. Kai joku nekin lukee.

Jokaisen luopion ympäri maailmaa pitäisi omalta osaltaan tehdä skandaalin maksimoimiseksi se, minkä pystyy.

Re: Jehovan todistajien pedofiiliongelma otsikoissa - nyt Irlannissa

Kirjoittaja Nukahtanut » 29.10.2017 17:25

Joo, ehottomasti joku lehdistö-väkeä tunteva vois vinkkiä heittää menemään.

Kaikenkaikkiaan hyvä että näitä uutisia tulee ulos tasaisesti. Herättää väkisinkin myös viranomaisten huomion, kun riittävän usein uutisoidaan.

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