Terveisiä Virosta / Hi From Estonia
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Terveisiä Virosta / Hi From Estonia
I posted about http://www.tunnistaja.ee previously, but now thought hey, why not write this introduction.
Sorry that it's in English. As Estonians usually do, I understand Finnish pretty well and use Google Translator to fill in the gaps, but writing is beyond me
Anyhow, the overview of the current situation. There's this first operable exJW website and forum soon celebrating first anniversary. We have about 20 ex-members who walk&talk with each other and another 20 who we know of but who usually don't take up invitations to meet, have a chat and so on.
Ask me anything
Sorry that it's in English. As Estonians usually do, I understand Finnish pretty well and use Google Translator to fill in the gaps, but writing is beyond me
Anyhow, the overview of the current situation. There's this first operable exJW website and forum soon celebrating first anniversary. We have about 20 ex-members who walk&talk with each other and another 20 who we know of but who usually don't take up invitations to meet, have a chat and so on.
Ask me anything
Terveisiä Virosta!
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
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Hi and welcome!
We should all reveal the thruth about Thruth
We should all reveal the thruth about Thruth
"Kuka on jumala, niin että minun pitäisi totella hänen ääntään? En tunne ketään jumalaa." -Mahtava metsästäjä
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I was delighted to find this old thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/frie ... 2OQCHKXtSw
So this has been tried before. We'll see where it goes this time.
So this has been tried before. We'll see where it goes this time.
Terveisiä Virosta!
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
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Erinomaista!ex-jw-est kirjoitti:We have about 20 ex-members who walk&talk with each other and another 20 who we know of but who usually don't take up invitations to meet, have a chat and so on.
Miljoonat kohta kuolevat eivät eläneet koskaan
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Indeed. Btw, I have already had some help and interest from the Finnish side, johanneksenpoika was one of the first to provide a link to our website, write an article about us etc. Also, several exJWs who once lived in Estonia (some serving as "helpers" in the 1990s) have made contact.
Terveisiä Virosta!
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
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Hm. Mikä on saanut teidät lähtemään? Onko teille kaikille ollut tärkeä apu internetistä ja sieltä löytyvistä englanninkielisistä tai suomenkielisistä artikkeleista?
Kun minä olin vielä JT, ei internet ollut laajalti käytössä ja ex-JT-kirjallisuus oli herätyskristillisestä näkökulmasta. Minulle herätyskristillisyys on yhtä paljon kultti kuin Jehovan todistajat. Moni meistä on ateisti. No, minä olen gnostilainen, mutta minä olenkin vähän mystikko.
Se, mitä minä ajan takaa, on se, että pelkään, että ex-JT vaihtaa yhden propagandan toiseen propagandaan, yhden kultin toiseen kulttiin. Minusta Jehovan todistajat ovat oikeassa siinä, että maailma on vaarallinen. Olit, esimerkiksi, Ukrainasta mitä mieltä tahansa, niin Ukrainasta on Venäjän versio totuudesta ja sitten on lännen versio totuudesta. Mikä on lopulta totta, mikä ei. Minulla on hirveä kognitiivinen dissonanssi joka kerta, kun lähden kotoa pois, koska tämä maailma tässä ympärillä on minusta valhe ja minun pitää elää valheellisessa ympäristössä.
Kun minä olin vielä JT, ei internet ollut laajalti käytössä ja ex-JT-kirjallisuus oli herätyskristillisestä näkökulmasta. Minulle herätyskristillisyys on yhtä paljon kultti kuin Jehovan todistajat. Moni meistä on ateisti. No, minä olen gnostilainen, mutta minä olenkin vähän mystikko.
Se, mitä minä ajan takaa, on se, että pelkään, että ex-JT vaihtaa yhden propagandan toiseen propagandaan, yhden kultin toiseen kulttiin. Minusta Jehovan todistajat ovat oikeassa siinä, että maailma on vaarallinen. Olit, esimerkiksi, Ukrainasta mitä mieltä tahansa, niin Ukrainasta on Venäjän versio totuudesta ja sitten on lännen versio totuudesta. Mikä on lopulta totta, mikä ei. Minulla on hirveä kognitiivinen dissonanssi joka kerta, kun lähden kotoa pois, koska tämä maailma tässä ympärillä on minusta valhe ja minun pitää elää valheellisessa ympäristössä.
Miljoonat kohta kuolevat eivät eläneet koskaan
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Mostly the Estonian exJWs don't have 'a cause that has made them to leave'. They are people who have been deceived to think that the Watchtowers doctrines are The Truth(r)(tm) and for that reason they were attracted to the religion. Upon waking up to the reality and seeing through the bullshit, they just have no reason to stay and so they become exJWs.
Estonia in general is very unbelieving country. People are atheists and agnostics by masses. So they don't pick and choose a religion and don't go from Watchtower to something else. Some are just caught on a moment of weakness by the cut mind control and indoctrination and stay with the Watchtower for a while.
Estonia in general is very unbelieving country. People are atheists and agnostics by masses. So they don't pick and choose a religion and don't go from Watchtower to something else. Some are just caught on a moment of weakness by the cut mind control and indoctrination and stay with the Watchtower for a while.
Terveisiä Virosta!
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
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On saturday 7:th of June is apostate meeting in Helsinki. Welcome! Its short boat trip from Tallinna. For more information, send me a private message, please.
Let me go Master I hate you so
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That's wonderful, I'll sure do that!
Terveisiä Virosta!
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
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Is there a lot of JW in Estonia? And have you been raised as JW since you were a child? Welcome to this site also!
Elämästä ei selviä hengissä.
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There are around 2000 Estonian and 2000 Russian JWs in Estonia, a total of 4000. The growth has stopped and it seems to shrink a bit in the last years.
I was not a born-in, but my dad converted when I was around 15 and this led to me being exposed to the indoctrination which led to baptism at the age of 19. I got out a year ago at age 27. Long story short
I'm planning to attend the upcoming exJW meetup in Finland, so hopefully we can meet and have a chat about it there!
I was not a born-in, but my dad converted when I was around 15 and this led to me being exposed to the indoctrination which led to baptism at the age of 19. I got out a year ago at age 27. Long story short
I'm planning to attend the upcoming exJW meetup in Finland, so hopefully we can meet and have a chat about it there!
Terveisiä Virosta!
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
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I quickly estimate that the ratio of publishers equals that of Finland, which sucks very much.
Miljoonat kohta kuolevat eivät eläneet koskaan
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In the 90's with all the post-soviet uncertainty and poverty people grasped for any kind of "salvation". Also, a religion offered foreign relations. All of the sudden the ex-soviet people with no education and future outlook saw a possibility to have "internatilnal friends". The WT took advantage of it. Pioneers and missionaries sent over here from Finland had a psychological effect. Estonians viewed Finns as "big brother", decent people, always doing good and helping out. That's why very ordinary and atheistic people listened to JW ministers and eventually became members of the cult - because the JW ministers were foreigners.
Now, here's the sweet irony. After some 20 years, all you Finnish exJWs can help with de-witnessing just as you helped with witnessing in 1990s Just as the WT had a few and far between witnesses in Estonia back then, we have few and far between ex-witnesses in Estonia now. And just as the WT had Finland as a pool of witnessing resources right next to Estonia back then, we seem to have Finland as a pool of un-witnessing resources right next to us now.
Now, here's the sweet irony. After some 20 years, all you Finnish exJWs can help with de-witnessing just as you helped with witnessing in 1990s Just as the WT had a few and far between witnesses in Estonia back then, we have few and far between ex-witnesses in Estonia now. And just as the WT had Finland as a pool of witnessing resources right next to Estonia back then, we seem to have Finland as a pool of un-witnessing resources right next to us now.
Terveisiä Virosta!
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
http://www.tunnistaja.ee
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Do many Estonian exJWs know this site? Or some English sites, because all of you (especially younger people) don't speak Finnish? These sites are at least for me very helpful.
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Exjwest: And just as the WT had Finland as a pool of witnessing resources right next to Estonia back then, we seem to have Finland as a pool of un-witnessing resources right next to us now.
Ironic, but no problem, welcome
Ironic, but no problem, welcome