"you will speak from the ground" - Isaiah 29

[rus virgil]

Have you ever thought to this prophecy ?

Isaiah 29:
4. Brought low, you will speak from the ground;
your speech will mumble out of the dust.
Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth;
out of the dust your speech will whisper.


It is about the same action and at the same time as in
Revelation 11

3. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."


Here it is the proof (one of them) that it happened/fulfilled at the due time

http://www.watchtowerwiki.org/files/197 ... to_JWs.pdf

search it !

friendly,
rus v.
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[kirjallisuusveli]

Have you ever thought to this prophecy ?

Isaiah 29:
4. Brought low, you will speak from the ground;
your speech will mumble out of the dust.
Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth;
out of the dust your speech will whisper.


It is about the same action and at the same time as in
Revelation 11

3. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."


Here it is the proof (one of them) that it happened/fulfilled at the due time

http://www.watchtowerwiki.org/files/197 ... to_JWs.pdf

search it !

friendly,
rus v.
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http://putinthesickle.blogspot.com/

Sorry - Isa 29:4 doesn't have fullfilled yet.

[rus virgil]

Sorry - Isa 29:4 doesn't have fullfilled yet.

Well friend,
it is your opinion !

regarding me , I speak only what I know !

friendly, rus v

[kirjallisuusveli]

Sorry - Isa 29:4 doesn't have fullfilled yet.

Well friend,
it is your opinion !

Yes that is my opinion, but it's also firmly based on the Bible.

regarding me , I speak only what I know !

friendly, rus v

Brobably that is true. But maybe You should learn more about the case.

But at first You can educate me and tell some things about verses following Isa. 29:4.


5 But your many enemies will become like fine dust,
the ruthless hordes like blown chaff.
Suddenly, in an instant,


6 the LORD Almighty will come
with thunder and earthquake and great noise,
with windstorm and tempest and flames of a devouring fire.

7 Then the hordes of all the nations that fight against Ariel,
that attack her and her fortress and besiege her,
will be as it is with a dream,
with a vision in the night-

8 as when a hungry man dreams that he is eating,
but he awakens, and his hunger remains;
as when a thirsty man dreams that he is drinking,
but he awakens faint, with his thirst unquenched.
So will it be with the hordes of all the nations
that fight against Mount Zion.


Some questions: How a multitude of nations attacked and fought against Ariel and how they all became like the fine dust back then when You suppose the 4th verse was fullfilled? Please tell my dear friend!

[rus virgil]

Sorry - Isa 29:4 doesn't have fullfilled yet.

Well friend,
it is your opinion !
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Yes that is my opinion, but it's also firmly based on the Bible.

I agree your opinion is based upon some interpretation of God's Word
But the INTERPRET of His Own Word is Jehovah Himself .
He is a God of order , and he set a order even of how His own Word to be understood !
"The teaching of Christ" is the basis for phrophecy understanding. IT HAS priority (with my own words).
see here
http://www.topix.net/forum/religion/jeh ... 88B/p2#c27
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regarding me , I speak only what I know !

friendly, rus v

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Brobably that is true. But maybe You should learn more about the case.

But at first You can educate me and tell some things about verses following Isa. 29:4.


5 But your many enemies will become like fine dust,
the ruthless hordes like blown chaff.
Suddenly, in an instant,


6 the LORD Almighty will come
with thunder and earthquake and great noise,
with windstorm and tempest and flames of a devouring fire.

7 Then the hordes of all the nations that fight against Ariel,
that attack her and her fortress and besiege her,
will be as it is with a dream,
with a vision in the night-

8 as when a hungry man dreams that he is eating,
but he awakens, and his hunger remains;
as when a thirsty man dreams that he is drinking,
but he awakens faint, with his thirst unquenched.
So will it be with the hordes of all the nations
that fight against Mount Zion.


Some questions: How a multitude of nations attacked and fought against Ariel and how they all became like the fine dust back then when You suppose the 4th verse was fullfilled? Please tell my dear friend !
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the last question : is a GOOD one !
The answer is a little long .
Jehovah specially told to Daniel , when and to whom will His prophecies be fulfilled : (Daniel 10:14)
14. Now I have come to make you understand what is to befall your people in the latter days, for the vision is for [many] days yet to come.

So , all prophecies have their fulfillment within God's people who live during the "last days".
That means , even "the nations" wich fight agains ARIEL (Christ's true brothers) are in fact grups of persons named "Jehovah witnesses" , all acts being happened inside or within "God's people" !
These nations are exactly the nations wich do trample the Temple during "3 yers and half" Revelation 11:2

Now I strongly recomend you to carefully read the articles posted here:
http://putinthesickle.blogspot.com/2008 ... iving.html
http://putinthesickle.blogspot.com/2008 ... hment.html

I greet you all with Jesus words Matthew 6:33 !

friendly, rus v.

[Jaakko Ahvenainen]

Dear rus virgil

I don't understand english not well, but in Isa. 29 ARIEL mean same as JERUSALEM, and the verses 1-12 and verses 13-16 tells from Jerusalem and Judah. Them points to times of Hezekiah (look 2. Chronicles 32) or possibly year 587/6 B.C. - when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and Judah. Look at 2. Kings 24:1-4. So You understand verses in Isa. 29:5-8 too.

Section Isa. 29:17-24 points possibly to the days of Jesus Christ, when he lived together with his people and disciples.

Edit: It's wrog take just one verse, like Isa. 29:4. You should take wholeness, like verses Isa. 29:1-6. But de facto: verse 4 includes of the wholeness beginning fro verse 1. And I'm almost sure that it points to time of Hezekiah or year 586/7 B.C.