the mark of the beast

[rus virgil]

Dears , the following Elijah's words fit to the present situation :

21. " Elijah went before the people and said, "How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him."
But the people said nothing. " 1 Kings 18.

For a long time God's people worshipped wood-idols .
What is a wood idol ?

8. "They are all senseless and foolish;
they are taught by worthless wooden idols. "

8. "They are both stupid and foolish;
the instruction of idols is but wood! " Jeremiah 10:8.

Any human interpretation (or according to human's will or science) of God's word is a wooden idol !

So , anyone worshiping God according to any human interpretation of God's word , he is in fact a worshiper of wooden idol , even calling himself an "Jehovah Witness" or brother of Christ !

But we are teached by Jesus to worship the Father "in spirit and truth" !
What does it means ?
23. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.
24. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
John 4:23,24.

To worship God in spirit , it means to have the understanding of His word , in spirit .
So , what does it means undertanding in spirit ?
If "God is spirit" , understanding "in spirit" means understanding according to His will !

Jesus told us :
12. "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
13. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come."
John 16:12,13.

What is the truth ? Jesus answers :
17. "Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth . John 17:17.

So , the spiritual understanding is that one based upon all God's word , from Genesis to Rev. , and not upon chronology , piramidology , or other human science .

Regarding Daniel's prophecies , God sent an angel to Daniel to say him His will concerning time and the frame of His prophecies' fullfilment :

14 "And I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people at the end of the days: for the vision is yet for [many] days. "
Daniel 10:14.

Now , let us find what is the mark of the beast according to God's will !
Here it follows a quote from the article "The Beast" - the Tool of Punishment " written by an anointed brother of Christ , named Sas Gavril :
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"As it was previously mentioned, the new leadership that took control of the society in 1945 foremost of whom Knorr edited the book “The Translation of the New World”, which distorted a lot of information in God's word, despite the warning that the Holy Scriptures gave with regard to this.

Thus, it was proven that these people have left Jehovah – “the spring of the living water”. And here is what Jehovah said about these individuals: “Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken the Lord, the spring of the living water” (Jeremiah 17: 13b)

So, in spite of their statements and their claims of being part of the heaven, they have become dust. This is one of the horns, like a lamb's horn. The other horn is exactly the part which was assigned authority and which is shown as being, hopefully, earthly. These horns are like lamb's horns, meaning that they come in the Name of God's Lamb. But next, we are shown that the beast having this appearance was speaking like a dragon. What does this mean? Let us think about it a little. How does a dragon speak? How did it speak in the Garden of Eden when it misled the original couple? Hasn't it spoken by altering God's words?

The same type of speech was imposed on the beast also for it could deceive the people of the world. The picture of “the original beast” is the tool of deceivement, that is the same book we were talking about – “The Translation of the New World ” which the beast indicates and submits to all as being the basic tool in the discovery of truth. Such a serious error! And precisely they who talk about other religions, sects or denominations do this kind of thing when they themselves do it.

All those who consider this picture as being what it claims to be are worshipers of “the beast and his image” (Revelation 14: 9) On the other hand, those who do not worship the beast and its image are “killed”, that is they are denied and banished from within this group of so-called witnesses and, thus “they don't buy and don't sell the rich spiritual asset” given by the <<slave>>! Only those who worship the beast and its image have the sign of the beast!

Concerning the reckoning of the beast's number, 666 we have to understand that time has come for Jehovah to give the necessary wisdom and knowledge to His messenger in order to be able to reckon the number of the beast. The expression “for he is a number of man” helps us understand that it's something concerning the things that are guided by people within the frame of an organized system, but which does not correspond to God's requirements.

During this debate we have noticed that this beast is nothing else but the class of the opponents who settled in the temple as it was prophesied and thus, in relation with this organized system it is indicated to reckon the number of the beast.

So, let us see how we can find this number. At page 109 of the book “Jehovah's witnesses, proclaimers of God's Kingdom”, in the second paragraph the following appear: “Starting with 1 st January 1976 all the activities of the Watch Tower Society and of all the congregations of Jehovah's witnesses in the entire world have entered under the supervision of six administrative committees of the government corps. (And here we have the first six) Then, we read on: “In accordance with this measure, on 1 st February 1976 a similar modification took place in every branch of the society. (And this is the second six) Then, going down to the third step – the congregation we observe that there is a committee, which handles all the problems of the congregation. This committee is formed out of six members (and here is the third six) with the following functions and responsabilities: 1 – president; 2 – secretary; 3 – accountant; 4 – the supervisor of the minister school; 5 – the supervisor of the ministry service; 6 – the person who is in charge of the literature department. All these together represent the number 666.

Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit of Jehovah there will be more debates in the future concerning the beast or as the prophet Daniel says “the wild animal”. And all these happen because we approach very rapidly to the moment of the liberation of Jehovah's saints whom the beast defeated. With the true judgment that follows this beast will be “taken the domination and completely destroyed forever”.

“But the court will sit and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom and all rulers will worship and obey him.” (Daniel 7: 26b, 27)

So now “a breath of life from God” will enter inside these saints.(Revelation 11: 11) Of course, this thing will bring along not only amazement (2 Thessalonians 1: 10) but also a severe earthquake (Revelation 11: 13)
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For further information you may see the entire article on site :

http://putinthesickle.blogspot.com/

Also see the following sites :

http://www.grupcaleasfanta.ro

http://matthewsgeneration.blogspot.com/


Greetings from Jehovah's Word to all those worshipping Him "with spirit and with truth" :

Jeremiah 51:9 Zeccariah 2:7 ; 8:1-8 Micah 2:12,13 ; 4:6,7 Amos 3:7
Hosea 4:6 ; 6:1-3,6 ; 14:1-9 2John 1:9 Rev.10:5-7,11 ; 14:3 ; 15:2,3 ; 22:10-15 !

As apostle Paul said , " but let God be true, and every man false; according as it is written, So that thou shouldest be justified in thy words, and shouldest overcome when thou art in judgment. "
Romans 3:4.

rus virgil

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[Markku Meilo]

Any human interpretation (or according to human's will or science) of God's word is a wooden idol !

Pls name or clarify any other type of interpretation than human interpretation?

So , the spiritual understanding is that one based upon all God's word , from Genesis to Rev. , and not upon chronology , piramidology , or other human science .

Does that 'spiritual understanding' include a sun that revolves a flat earth?

Sas Gavril :

LOL, that made my day.

[rus virgil]

Jesus Christ is my KING !

http://thebiblereport.blogspot.com/2008 ... -king.html


WHO is yours ?


respectfully, rus v.

[Witless]

Jesus Christ is my KING !

http://thebiblereport.blogspot.com/2008 ... -king.html


WHO is yours ?


respectfully, rus v.

I live in a democracy.

[rus virgil]

Nearer, My God, to Thee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9zhdgq2 ... annel_page

Enjoy this old song of JWs .... it marked my childhood


respectfully , rus v.

[rus virgil]

After studying the Bible I came to see/realize that God have ever known that He wrote regarding ancient events in an “hidden way” ( Proverbs 25:2 ),

and so, He didn’t command to his worshipers to find the real/exact chronological data of events of human history (or about its empires and states from Adam until today)

in case He would command this , knowing how difficult is to come to a conclusion in chronology and how much time it requires , then God’s worshipers would be called “historians”, not “Christians”

But now , a certain “chronology” still exist , and God does invite us to understand it , even in order to “know the judgement”

Ecclesiastes 8:
5. "Whoso keepeth the commandment shall know no evil thing;
and a wise man’s heart discerneth time and judgment"

Yes , it is a good thing to know the time of God’s judgement !

here are Jesus words / Luke 19:

41. And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

42. saying, If thou hadst known in this day, even thou, the things which belong unto peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

43. For the days shall come upon thee, when thine enemies shall cast up a bank about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44. and shall dash thee to the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another;
because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

here we are able to see that is a good thing to be able to recognize the time of our “visitation” >> that implies a little but necessary knowledge of “chronology”

But, what (kind of) chronology ?

The chronology God requires from us to search for, is part of prophecies regarding “God’s people during the latter days”, as He said to Daniel
chapter 10
14. Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall
– thy people
– in the latter days; for the vision is yet for many days:

It follows that the chronology God is requiring from us/His worshipers to search for, is in fact
THE CHRONOLOGY of "THE LATTER DAYS" !

Here is a research on the “latter days chronology”, as I was able to put it in english:

http://reslight.net/forum/index.php/topic,1207.0.html

in Christ,
rus virgil

[RaM]

Are you really in Christ.
What you see now? Where are you now?

I'm a little sick ... flu ... can you heal me?

[Yövieras]

Dear Rus Virgil!

I spent few hours yesterday reading your links. This is very interesting stuff and there are many good points concerning WTBTS. However there is one scripture that you have forgotten. I have to take you to "old-school", I mean "back to basics of the scriptures" if ya know what i mean. Jesus words at Matthew 24:5 and I am quoting Benjamin Wilson New Testament called The Emphatic Diaglott. This just because, the word Christ, that means anointed, has been translated directly what it means from the original Creek.

Here it states:" Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: " I am the Anointed", and many shall they deceive.

And Luke 21:8 " Not therefore go after them"

You said before:

written by an anointed brother of Christ , named Sas Gavril :

Somewhere in your links was mentioned, that this Sas Gavril is a "Faithfull anointed".
Whose words do you think we should listen to?

1.Jesus Christ, who tells us not to listen or go after ANYONE who claims to be Christ or claims to have a special anointing ?

Or.

2. This man who claims to have a special anointing or at least someone claims that he has that?

This is one of the most important Scriptures that speak against WTBTS too. They also call themselves anointed brothers of Jesus and Jesus clearly states us that THEY SHALL DECEIVE MANY, even the chosen ones.

My purpose here is not to attack against what you say, cause it`s very good to see some ex-jehovah witnesses who have not fall in to the trap of atheism, and still keep searching for the truth.

Who is this guy who is in these videos on that http://matthewsgeneration.blogspot.com/ page anyway?

Looks like very much the person who claimed that Satan was thrown from heaven at 1908 to Russia and lot`s of people there have seen Satan and this Explosion of Tunguska somehow proves 1914 to be correct? check it out here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7JEpRpT ... 64FD9099A3

[rus virgil]

Dear Rus Virgil!

I spent few hours yesterday reading your links. This is very interesting stuff and there are many good points concerning WTBTS. However there is one scripture that you have forgotten. I have to take you to "old-school", I mean "back to basics of the scriptures" if ya know what i mean. Jesus words at Matthew 24:5 and I am quoting Benjamin Wilson New Testament called The Emphatic Diaglott. This just because, the word Christ, that means anointed, has been translated directly what it means from the original Creek.

Here it states:" Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: " I am the Anointed", and many shall they deceive.

And Luke 21:8 " Not therefore go after them"

You said before:

written by an anointed brother of Christ , named Sas Gavril :

Somewhere in your links was mentioned, that this Sas Gavril is a "Faithfull anointed".
Whose words do you think we should listen to?

1.Jesus Christ, who tells us not to listen or go after ANYONE who claims to be Christ or claims to have a special anointing ?

Or.

2. This man who claims to have a special anointing or at least someone claims that he has that?

This is one of the most important Scriptures that speak against WTBTS too. They also call themselves anointed brothers of Jesus and Jesus clearly states us that THEY SHALL DECEIVE MANY, even the chosen ones.

My purpose here is not to attack against what you say, cause it`s very good to see some ex-jehovah witnesses who have not fall in to the trap of atheism, and still keep searching for the truth.

Who is this guy who is in these videos on that http://matthewsgeneration.blogspot.com/ page anyway?

Looks like very much the person who claimed that Satan was thrown from heaven at 1908 to Russia and lot`s of people there have seen Satan and this Explosion of Tunguska somehow proves 1914 to be correct? check it out here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7JEpRpT ... 64FD9099A3

Yovieras,

I thank you very much that you have found the time and desire to read what I wrote , and also the links

Also I thank you for your reminders regarding who do we have to obey... ( man or Christ )

I am also glad that you rejoice that I haven't become an theist , that means for me that you are a Christian who loves Jesus Christ, the King .

The man with the videos is one who loves Christ also , and he was happy to find what the "number of the beast" is ...
you will can see that in the posts following my post here:
http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/ ... 8#pid14038

http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/ ... 8#pid14038

regarding his opinions that 1914 is right , I don't believe any man , only Jesus Christ, and because of his/that man wrong idea I have composed a post where I proved specially with Jesus words when He become King and started reigning in Heavens , as also emphasizing the "teaching of Christ" ( I did it for everybody as also for that man )

I posted this my research also in this forum and I invite you to read it :

http://veljesseura.org/foorumi/viewtopi ... 342#p38342

here you will find my studies also regarding the (second) coming of Jesus , and the chronology of the "later days"
http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/ ... p?tid=1116

Friend,
keep the faith, because Jesus is "at the door" now !

with respect,
rus virgil